Adam Ferrier and Brent Smart are back for a third season of their Black T-Shirts podcast which looks at the processes of some of the world’s most successful commercially creative practitioners within agencies, marketing, and consultancy. Ferrier founded creative agency Thinkerbell, Smart is CMO with Telstra.

Guests this season include Cj Hendry first up, who built her name as an artist on Instagram.  Her work now commands eye watering prices, as she refers to herself as ‘an average artist but a brilliant marketer‘ and Samira Ansari, the Chief Creative Officer of Ogilvy New York, who explains why challenging her people to ‘get me into trouble’ leads to better creative outputs.

You can listen to Black T-Shirts here.